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hey this is Bryant Arnold also known as

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dragon from Skinwalker Ranch and you're

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hi everyone welcome back to that UFO

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podcast as always my name is Andy and

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this is episode 12 where you'll be

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hearing Calvin Parker retail one of the

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most famous abduction stories in UFO

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history

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episode 11 with Buddy from Alien

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protocols got some amazing feedback

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folks and I look forward to speaking to

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Buddy again in the future and hearing

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some more remote viewers on the podcast

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as well this week's Skinwalker watch

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along episode 7 will be dropping with

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myself and Dan the penultimate episode

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next week my guest on the show is none

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other than Dragon AKA Brian Arnold from

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Skinwalker Ranch the head of security

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and dragon will be talking about life on

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the ranch before the cameras his

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lifelong friendship with Brandon Frugal

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who now owns the ranch of course season

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one goings on and a bit of a preview for

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season two as well that is an interview

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definitely not to be missed you will

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hear a whole different side of dragon

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that you don't necessarily see come

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across when the cameras are rolling so

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definitely not to be missed folks no

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show tup talks with myself and Dan

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discussing the main talking points from

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episode one and two of unidentified will

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hi everyone coming back from that

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message there are a few names that you

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think of when you hear UFOs and

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abductions some of the most famous cases

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throughout history you would say would

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be the Betty and Barney Hill case Travis

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Walton and I would say the third name up

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there on that list would be Calvin

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Parker and Calvin Parker I have on the

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line with me just now Calvin how are you

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doing today

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I'm doing great beautiful day here in

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Mississippi and

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just kind of kick back and relaxing on a

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Sunday lovely well thank you very much

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so for giving us some of your time it's

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been absolutely a pleasure following

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your story over the last couple of years

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I've had you in a few different

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interviews um in the UK on Howard Hughes

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and I've watched our documentary which

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is available on Amazon that's a alien

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contact the Pascagoula UFO encounter and

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of course you've got the the book more

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recently released as well so

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um it's been a fascinating story to keep

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tabs on and one that we're coming up on

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the 50th Anniversary pretty soon but the

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story still is relevant so so much today

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with with what's going on so Calvin just

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before I start asking you about the

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story and letting you retail it in your

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words that so many people want to hear

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what was your interest if you had any at

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all in UFOs before the incident

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there weren't any interest I didn't know

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what a UFO was

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in the 70s this was not a real popular

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subject everybody kind of shunned

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anybody that would mention a UFO or

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something of course we did have Project

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Blue Book and um

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you know I did get to meet Dr honey

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before he passed away and that that was

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a great honor and privilege there

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because he's one of the ones that made

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me feel kind of at home with this

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but I still didn't talk about it for 45

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and that's when the book came out yeah

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and for me that's one of the real

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interests of your story it's not

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something that as we're going to find

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out there was also um Charlie hexen

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Charles Hickson was involved in the

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incident with you and he did talk about

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it much quicker and he was much more

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open to discussing it and throughout his

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life this played a big part of his life

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but it's something that you shunned away

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from but before we get to that Calvin

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and your own words would you like to

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tell the listeners your story of what

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happened on the evening of October 11

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1973.

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I sure would of course I was working in

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the oil field just say a day or two

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before then and fix to get married in

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November and this happened in October so

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I was hunting a different job something

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that wasn't so many hours and I was home

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because back then the oilfield was seven

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days a week

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and I just wanted to find a job

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uh where I could work and have a normal

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so I called up a no friend of mine

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Charles Hixson

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and he said look I'm over the shipyard

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to help me Walker and Son's Shipyard and

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you're welcome to come down here and go

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to work

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so October the 11th

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the very day and I've always said well I

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got hired fired in the physical all in

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I went down and went to work for Charlie

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we was getting off work and uh

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Charlie said well would you like to go

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fishing I said well sure you know

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because I've known Charlie for a long

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time he wasn't really a friend he was my

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father's friend but I known him a long

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time because we all used to hang around

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and camp and fish together me and his

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he decided they wanted to go fishing

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they invited me to go I said well

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Charlie you know I don't have no fishing

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equipment with me he said I've got

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plenty of equipment now for a man from

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the south to offer you Fishing and

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Equipment that's a real honor because he

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just soon give you his wife and kids as

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he had his fishing equipment up

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so uh

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we got off work we went by his house

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picked up the equipment and he knew of

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Shipyard that was abandoned FB walk I

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mean Shaw Peter Shipyard and it was

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abandoned he said well let's go over

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here and start and try well in October

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you know it starts getting dark kind of

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early so we went over and it was a good

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full moon the first thing I noticed was

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trespassing signs on the pier

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so I said Charlie you know it's no

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trespassing signs all all the way around

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here all of a sudden don't pay attention

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to that

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well right then I didn't feel real good

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about it and I shouldn't have went

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we walked on down to the pier it took

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about 15 minutes to get there we went

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through the debris and all

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pulled up an old log was setting on the

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pier fishing and I remember looking out

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across the river we was fishing at East

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Pascagoula River

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and there was no big um

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Noah ship or something sitting on the

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other side and I remember looking at

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that thank you to myself now how can

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this much steel float

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but uh that that's for some reason

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that's what was on my mind and that's

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when I noticed some hazy blue lights

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coming from behind me

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they uh

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looked like they was coming from behind

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me inflected reflecting off the water in

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and I was thinking to myself well that's

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the law and they come down here to run

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us off because that's what the law had

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on her patrol car seats and blue lights

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so Charlie and I stood up and turned

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around about the same time

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and about the time we got turned around

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and was looking behind us

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there was a bright bright light it just

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covered us I mean just encircled us in

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there well it was kind of blind in there

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for a minute you know I didn't couldn't

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really see what was going on but

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again I was thinking it could be the law

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shining the Spotless Spotlight on us

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well it wasn't very long I seen

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three bulky looking creatures you know

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just to figure silhouette of them coming

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through that light

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and I was thinking where they was coming

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from that's not the law you know we got

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something else fixing to happen here

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and uh two of them went over to Charlie

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grabbed him then one of them come and

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grabbed me by my left arm and that's

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when I felt an injection going into some

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kind or it was an injection and later on

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it got verified and I kind of got into

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that in my second book here but

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um

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anyhow he grabbed me by the arm

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and it was still hard to make out what

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this thing looked like I've always

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caught in the big ugly one but he moved

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like a robot

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and they took us to the door I guess I

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was in front of Charlie because I didn't

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see him until I got back out on the

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water again or the pier can I just ask a

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question Calvin sure at this point and

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that's creature that's entities grabbed

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you by the arm were you frozen or

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paralyzed or was it just a fear that had

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come over you that you didn't want to

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struggle or run away

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well when it got me I wanted to run away

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I looked to the left and it was watering

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to the right and of course water in the

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front there was a lot of debris in it

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and there wasn't nowhere to run but then

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when he grabbed me by the arm and I felt

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this injection

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I didn't really care if I got away or

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not I was just there the only thing I

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could move was my roll my head a little

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bit and roll my eyes

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but as far as moving my body I couldn't

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move it right then

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so this thing carried me to the door of

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the craft

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when I got to the door I caught myself

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looking to see where these lights was

289
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coming from but that was eliminating out

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of the paint you know it wasn't no big

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light bulbs or spotlights or nothing a

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little like I was coming out of the

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paint

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so when this big ugly thing carried me

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in

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you know then the lights was normal it

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was just lighting inside the craft

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and we made a left turn

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went down a hallway for a little bit and

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then we made a right turn and then a big

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what I call an examination room

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and there was a uh looked like a glass

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table in there I could see that a real

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nice looking table

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and he carried me over and he laid me on

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this table on my back my head up facing

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the ceiling

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and uh

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he just laid me down there and I still

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couldn't move and he backed off into a

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corner

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and just shut down

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and that's why I think it was more or

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less like a robot taking orders from

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these other creatures on board here and

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that's something I've heard you said

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several times in the story that you had

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a feeling an inclement these creatures

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were potentially more robotic just in

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the way they moved the way they acted

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and as you said the terminology that

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they were almost shutting down for a

323
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time as well

324
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oh yeah

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were there any other features you know

326
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you've you've went down this hallway and

327
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you mentioned you're in the craft and

328
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the lighting seems normal is there any

329
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features you can pick out anything like

330
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a window or you know not pictures

331
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hanging on the wall but any types of

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hieroglyphs or anything like that

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not that I could say when I was going in

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there except for the glass table

335
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and at this time I didn't see nobody

336
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else but the big ugly one

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and he went off in a corner

338
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but when he laid me on the back I was

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looking up at the ceiling and something

340
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about the size of a deck of cards that

341
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was kind of bluish on bottom come down

342
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within a foot and a half of my head

343
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and it started clicking it it would get

344
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right in front of me a click then it

345
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made you the side click behind me and

346
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click and over to the other side and

347
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click

348
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then it got in front of me and just shot

349
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right back up into the ceiling and that

350
00:14:05,509 --> 00:14:03,060
nail was gone

351
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now what that was for I don't have no

352
00:14:09,889 --> 00:14:07,320
idea unless it was

353
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taking like x-rays or something like

354
00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:11,279
that I don't know

355
00:14:14,810 --> 00:14:12,480
what was going through your meeting

356
00:14:16,970 --> 00:14:14,820
sorry at that point because that has all

357
00:14:20,210 --> 00:14:16,980
happened with I know what a few minutes

358
00:14:22,790 --> 00:14:20,220
yeah just thinking

359
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be honest I still didn't have time to

360
00:14:28,250 --> 00:14:25,320
think I just uh

361
00:14:29,210 --> 00:14:28,260
was kind of still numb from the shot I

362
00:14:31,610 --> 00:14:29,220
guess

363
00:14:34,970 --> 00:14:31,620
but I did start thinking a little bit

364
00:14:38,090 --> 00:14:34,980
here in just a little bit this uh that's

365
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when I sensed to presents in the room

366
00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:40,620
and I don't know why but I just sense

367
00:14:43,730 --> 00:14:42,420
that somebody else is in there so I'll

368
00:14:48,650 --> 00:14:43,740
roll my head

369
00:14:51,949 --> 00:14:48,660
and got my eyes and out came a young

370
00:14:53,870 --> 00:14:51,959
female looking creature and I call her a

371
00:14:55,370 --> 00:14:53,880
female I don't know if she was or not

372
00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:55,380
have no clue

373
00:15:00,829 --> 00:14:58,079
but she come toward me and she looked

374
00:15:03,530 --> 00:15:00,839
just like Hey Y'all little redneck girl

375
00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:03,540
from my part of the camp you know County

376
00:15:08,090 --> 00:15:06,240
I mean if I'd been a drinking man and

377
00:15:10,790 --> 00:15:08,100
not drinking in a bar I would probably

378
00:15:11,870 --> 00:15:10,800
ask her on a date that's how real she

379
00:15:14,629 --> 00:15:11,880
looked

380
00:15:16,970 --> 00:15:14,639
but the only difference I could tell was

381
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her fingers her two middle fingers was a

382
00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:18,600
little longer

383
00:15:23,870 --> 00:15:22,079
so she come in and she reached up and

384
00:15:25,730 --> 00:15:23,880
she grabbed me by the cheek and just

385
00:15:27,530 --> 00:15:25,740
kind of felt my skin kind of like your

386
00:15:30,829 --> 00:15:27,540
grandmother would

387
00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:30,839
and uh I still wasn't too frightened

388
00:15:35,689 --> 00:15:33,720
then she took one of her hands put on my

389
00:15:38,030 --> 00:15:35,699
chin and pushed it down

390
00:15:40,970 --> 00:15:38,040
she took his fingers off that other hand

391
00:15:43,730 --> 00:15:40,980
and run down my throat and try to curve

392
00:15:46,189 --> 00:15:43,740
it up and come up my nasal cavity that's

393
00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:46,199
when I panicked I couldn't breathe

394
00:15:52,490 --> 00:15:50,459
uh I was choking I started bleeding

395
00:15:55,250 --> 00:15:52,500
so I was panicked and all of a sudden

396
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:55,260
she pulled her hand out of my mouth

397
00:16:00,530 --> 00:15:57,680
and uh

398
00:16:02,930 --> 00:16:00,540
telepathically communicate you know

399
00:16:05,210 --> 00:16:02,940
we're not gonna hurt you

400
00:16:06,949 --> 00:16:05,220
and I thought were but then I thought

401
00:16:09,470 --> 00:16:06,959
about the other one

402
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:09,480
but it was too late I mean the damage

403
00:16:16,129 --> 00:16:12,240
was done I mean my throat was scratched

404
00:16:17,569 --> 00:16:16,139
up she'd already uh run her fingers down

405
00:16:19,850 --> 00:16:17,579
my throat

406
00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:19,860
and she backed off and said we're not

407
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:21,240
going to hurt you

408
00:16:25,850 --> 00:16:22,880
well the

409
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:25,860
pain was real bad then

410
00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:29,279
she made a mumbling noise now

411
00:16:33,769 --> 00:16:31,500
I don't know if y'all have alligators in

412
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:33,779
y'all's part of the country or not

413
00:16:40,430 --> 00:16:37,440
but these alligators have a mating call

414
00:16:43,970 --> 00:16:40,440
and it's a vibration and it goes for

415
00:16:47,629 --> 00:16:43,980
miles across the swamp and that's kind

416
00:16:49,550 --> 00:16:47,639
of like the mumbling that she did and

417
00:16:51,949 --> 00:16:49,560
this big ugly one that was over in the

418
00:16:53,389 --> 00:16:51,959
corner he just jumped up like a Jack In

419
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:53,399
The Box

420
00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:56,160
he'd come over and grab me by the arm

421
00:17:00,769 --> 00:16:58,320
and that's when I felt another injection

422
00:17:03,290 --> 00:17:00,779
going to my arm

423
00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:03,300
and I get in later on while we found out

424
00:17:09,890 --> 00:17:07,620
it was injections and um

425
00:17:12,049 --> 00:17:09,900
the southern injection and it just

426
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:12,059
settled me down a little bit

427
00:17:15,949 --> 00:17:14,640
well she just kind of backed up out of

428
00:17:18,409 --> 00:17:15,959
the way

429
00:17:21,530 --> 00:17:18,419
and he picked me up and he carried me

430
00:17:23,630 --> 00:17:21,540
back out almost where they picked us up

431
00:17:25,549 --> 00:17:23,640
set me on the ground

432
00:17:27,710 --> 00:17:25,559
and that's the first time I heard from

433
00:17:28,490 --> 00:17:27,720
Charlie you know I had lost contact with

434
00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:28,500
him

435
00:17:33,530 --> 00:17:31,260
he said son son you okay

436
00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:33,540
and I thought well heck no I'm not okay

437
00:17:37,850 --> 00:17:36,000
you know just been through something

438
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:37,860
kind of

439
00:17:44,650 --> 00:17:43,200
found some bad drugs or some good

440
00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:44,660
whiskey

441
00:17:49,490 --> 00:17:48,120
but I didn't do either one back then or

442
00:17:51,710 --> 00:17:49,500
don't now

443
00:17:53,690 --> 00:17:51,720
so anyhow

444
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:53,700
Me and Charlie

445
00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:55,919
turned around at the same time and

446
00:17:59,690 --> 00:17:57,960
looked and this thing picked up off the

447
00:18:01,730 --> 00:17:59,700
ground just a little bit

448
00:18:03,710 --> 00:18:01,740
shot straight up into the sky and

449
00:18:06,650 --> 00:18:03,720
disappeared

450
00:18:08,690 --> 00:18:06,660
well Charlie said well let's sit down

451
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:08,700
here the damage is done let's sit down

452
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:11,280
here and talk about this for a minute

453
00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:12,840
and he said

454
00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:16,380
you know we need to uh tell somebody I

455
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:17,940
said Charlie we don't need to tell

456
00:18:23,390 --> 00:18:20,400
nobody nothing period

457
00:18:25,730 --> 00:18:23,400
we just need to keep his to herself

458
00:18:28,130 --> 00:18:25,740
and not mention that nobody get up in

459
00:18:30,890 --> 00:18:28,140
the morning go to work

460
00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:30,900
he said no we got to tell somebody

461
00:18:36,650 --> 00:18:34,740
I says no we're not going to tell nobody

462
00:18:38,690 --> 00:18:36,660
so we sat there and talked and we went

463
00:18:41,450 --> 00:18:38,700
back to the car

464
00:18:44,930 --> 00:18:41,460
well when we got to the car

465
00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:44,940
I I opened my door up

466
00:18:49,370 --> 00:18:47,400
and I noticed his window was shattered

467
00:18:50,270 --> 00:18:49,380
in place and when he opened it it fell

468
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:50,280
out

469
00:18:56,510 --> 00:18:53,760
the car was kind of magnetic you my keys

470
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:56,520
was kind of sticking to it

471
00:19:00,590 --> 00:18:58,559
so we got in the car

472
00:19:03,409 --> 00:19:00,600
and it took me a while to get it to

473
00:19:04,909 --> 00:19:03,419
Crane but I cranked on it and cranked on

474
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:04,919
it cranked on it and I noticed the

475
00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:07,200
battery never ran down

476
00:19:13,310 --> 00:19:10,860
so uh we finally got it going and it

477
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:13,320
wasn't running real good backed out we

478
00:19:18,409 --> 00:19:15,840
started in toward his house

479
00:19:21,890 --> 00:19:18,419
and there was a

480
00:19:23,150 --> 00:19:21,900
a convenience store they said Son pull

481
00:19:25,730 --> 00:19:23,160
over here

482
00:19:27,230 --> 00:19:25,740
I need to make a phone call well I

483
00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:27,240
thought he was going to call his wife

484
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,220
you know back in the 70s there weren't

485
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:31,679
no cell phones if it was you couldn't

486
00:19:36,890 --> 00:19:34,320
afford one there was no social media

487
00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:36,900
they had old pay phones

488
00:19:42,169 --> 00:19:39,660
so he pulled up to this paper on him we

489
00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:42,179
had to hunt change some nickels to put

490
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:45,000
in in between the car seats

491
00:19:49,549 --> 00:19:47,760
he put it in and I heard him talking but

492
00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:49,559
I wasn't paying attention to what he was

493
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,160
saying but he was talking to a Keesler

494
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:56,160
Air Force Base at the time

495
00:20:00,770 --> 00:19:58,080
and they told him that they didn't

496
00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:00,780
handle UFOs or nothing

497
00:20:05,810 --> 00:20:03,660
at the present moment to wall

498
00:20:08,090 --> 00:20:05,820
they had abandoned that Project Blue

499
00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:08,100
Book and all for him to call the local

500
00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:09,900
authorities which made the Jackson

501
00:20:13,970 --> 00:20:11,820
County Sheriff's Department

502
00:20:16,130 --> 00:20:13,980
so we came back to the car he said I

503
00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:16,140
made some oil change

504
00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:17,820
and he looked in there and I still

505
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,520
didn't realize what he was doing

506
00:20:25,130 --> 00:20:22,559
and he called

507
00:20:29,390 --> 00:20:25,140
the Jackson County Sheriff's Department

508
00:20:31,370 --> 00:20:29,400
well like them doing their job you know

509
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,380
they said y'all stay there because they

510
00:20:35,390 --> 00:20:33,120
didn't know what kind of condition or

511
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,400
shape or what we was doing y'all stay

512
00:20:38,930 --> 00:20:36,720
right there we'll be there in a few

513
00:20:44,990 --> 00:20:42,169
he came back and uh

514
00:20:46,970 --> 00:20:45,000
told me what they had said and I said

515
00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:46,980
why in the world did you call them

516
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,160
Charlie we wasn't going to tell nobody

517
00:20:54,650 --> 00:20:52,799
but I didn't leave because I didn't want

518
00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:54,660
to break the law after them telling to

519
00:20:59,810 --> 00:20:56,700
stay there I figured they'd pick us up

520
00:21:02,090 --> 00:20:59,820
and it would be that much worse

521
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:02,100
so we stayed there and of course it was

522
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,760
on my side uh other car because I was

523
00:21:09,950 --> 00:21:07,440
driving they come up and it was two

524
00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:09,960
officers they just kind of turned around

525
00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:12,360
and looked in the car

526
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,960
and uh asked me from my driver's license

527
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:18,000
I pulled them out

528
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,679
showed it to him they asked me to step

529
00:21:23,870 --> 00:21:21,360
out of the car

530
00:21:25,789 --> 00:21:23,880
now they was doing this all to me and

531
00:21:27,770 --> 00:21:25,799
Charlie's the one that called them

532
00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:27,780
they said have you been drinking I said

533
00:21:32,330 --> 00:21:29,340
no sir I hadn't

534
00:21:33,049 --> 00:21:32,340
he said well look walk his line right

535
00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:33,059
here

536
00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:36,179
come back stand on your

537
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:38,280
left foot I think

538
00:21:43,490 --> 00:21:41,760
tilt your head back touch your nose and

539
00:21:44,289 --> 00:21:43,500
jump up and down and count from a

540
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,299
hundred

541
00:21:49,789 --> 00:21:47,039
backwards I said man I can't do that

542
00:21:53,210 --> 00:21:49,799
sober much less if I'd been drinking I

543
00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:53,220
said but I'm going to try so I did and

544
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:55,559
what that was was a field sobriety test

545
00:22:01,130 --> 00:21:58,559
he was giving us he said well you look

546
00:22:04,850 --> 00:22:01,140
sober enough to drive I said well hell I

547
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,860
am I hadn't drank nothing I can drive

548
00:22:07,789 --> 00:22:06,480
so he said well follow us to the

549
00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:07,799
Sheriff's Department

550
00:22:12,529 --> 00:22:10,500
so we got into the uh car and we

551
00:22:14,210 --> 00:22:12,539
followed them to the Jackson County

552
00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:14,220
Sheriff Department

553
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,220
and that's when they put us a separate

554
00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:19,679
rooms and interrogated us

555
00:22:24,890 --> 00:22:22,440
and then they uh

556
00:22:27,890 --> 00:22:24,900
after the interrogation they put us into

557
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:27,900
one room and this is where what they

558
00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:30,240
call a sacred tape come in they listen

559
00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:31,980
to us talking

560
00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:33,900
and they noticed you know there was a

561
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,580
little fair in there

562
00:22:40,370 --> 00:22:38,159
and I didn't realize and Charlie didn't

563
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:40,380
realize there was a tape recorder in the

564
00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:41,280
room

565
00:22:46,090 --> 00:22:42,900
and just about

566
00:22:48,370 --> 00:22:46,100
a month ago I got the whole

567
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,380
deal taped

568
00:22:54,049 --> 00:22:51,360
uh where they interrogated this

569
00:22:55,490 --> 00:22:54,059
separately where they interrogated is in

570
00:22:58,490 --> 00:22:55,500
the same room

571
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,500
so anyhow I didn't realize all these

572
00:23:02,330 --> 00:23:00,000
takes was floating around out there

573
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,340
until about a month ago

574
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:04,080
they uh

575
00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:06,840
after they put us in the room to sheriff

576
00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:10,500
Fred Diamond come in he said uh

577
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:11,940
look

578
00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:14,760
I believe something happened to y'all

579
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,100
I want to see y'all in the morning why

580
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:20,000
don't y'all go home and get some rest

581
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:23,280
and uh

582
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,260
I'll see y'all tomorrow

583
00:23:30,049 --> 00:23:27,840
well I didn't think no more about it we

584
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,059
went home got some rest

585
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,159
and I knew I wasn't going back to the

586
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,559
Sheriff's Department voluntarily

587
00:23:38,210 --> 00:23:36,960
so we got up the next morning drove into

588
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,220
work

589
00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:40,320
we stopped and ate a little breakfast on

590
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:43,500
the way now this was just my second day

591
00:23:48,049 --> 00:23:45,720
of work and I didn't

592
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:48,059
know how many cars are supposed to be

593
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:50,580
there or not but when we got there that

594
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,380
place was flooded

595
00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:55,200
and it also had a

596
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:59,159
these uplinked TV truck news trucks you

597
00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:02,400
know and I figured that was just maybe a

598
00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:04,020
commercial or something they was doing I

599
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:06,600
never related it back to us

600
00:24:11,570 --> 00:24:08,580
we brassed in

601
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:11,580
we went to our workstations got a call

602
00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:14,940
over the intercom for us to uh

603
00:24:19,130 --> 00:24:17,100
come to the main office

604
00:24:21,649 --> 00:24:19,140
I thought oh gosh

605
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:21,659
here we go Charlie's big mouth you know

606
00:24:27,409 --> 00:24:24,299
he opened it up well right then I quit

607
00:24:28,250 --> 00:24:27,419
speaking to him very much we went to the

608
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:28,260
office

609
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:30,419
and of course they said y'all gonna have

610
00:24:36,529 --> 00:24:32,520
to give a press release

611
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,539
I said why press release for what I was

612
00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:38,640
still denying that this happened

613
00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:40,860
into him that they said y'all got to do

614
00:24:45,490 --> 00:24:42,780
it we cannot conduct business here

615
00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:45,500
anymore the media is driving us crazy

616
00:24:51,049 --> 00:24:49,320
they got TV Crews here we have a

617
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:51,059
shipyard attorney

618
00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:55,500
his name is Joe camango jokingly that's

619
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,220
a tongue Tower Joe flamingo

620
00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:01,919
and uh we're gonna have him come work up

621
00:25:07,250 --> 00:25:04,679
a press release so Charlie got with Joe

622
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:07,260
and they worked up a press release

623
00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:09,720
and they turned loose of a press release

624
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:13,140
well about that time the sheriff came in

625
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:14,700
Fred diamond

626
00:25:21,289 --> 00:25:18,059
and I had expressed some concerns

627
00:25:25,549 --> 00:25:21,299
uh telling that we might be contaminated

628
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:25,559
or might have radiation or have some

629
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,900
kind of virus or something because I had

630
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:30,000
watched the Apollo missions

631
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:31,980
and I knew when they came back they

632
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,200
quarantined them from their families and

633
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,760
all for seven days

634
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,400
and that's what I was thinking so the

635
00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:40,080
sheriff come up he said I need to get

636
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,700
y'all to the hospital and get you

637
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:43,919
checked out

638
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:47,220
he drove us to uh Singing River hospital

639
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:50,520
in Jackson County in Pascagoula

640
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:53,640
they uh Dr Bosco I won't never forget

641
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:55,260
the man's name

642
00:26:00,830 --> 00:25:58,020
he uh checked us out did blood work he

643
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:00,840
did a whole line of work out

644
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:09,590
he examined our arm and come to find out

645
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:12,960
that was a shot that they gave now I

646
00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:15,059
never asked him what it was that was in

647
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:16,860
that shot because I got the heck out of

648
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:18,120
there later on

649
00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:21,000
but it was definitely a shot

650
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:23,400
of some kind of sedative or something I

651
00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:26,279
guess well when we left there the

652
00:26:32,810 --> 00:26:29,640
sheriff said we need to take y'all to uh

653
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:32,820
Keesler Air Force Base they called they

654
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:34,740
want to check out for radiation

655
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,159
well I thought that was really weird too

656
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:41,520
so he drove was 30 miles to Keesler Air

657
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:44,220
Force Base in Biloxi they flagged us

658
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:47,580
right through the gate had MPS

659
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:50,460
escort us back to the docks

660
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:53,400
and when we got out they told everybody

661
00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:55,500
yes step away

662
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:58,020
they had men in hazmat suits with

663
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,580
something in her hand

664
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:01,919
got us in checked us for Aviation of

665
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:04,380
course I was showing up a little bit but

666
00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:07,140
not enough to be way above normal

667
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:10,260
and Charlie didn't check when you know

668
00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:12,360
he didn't have none they got through and

669
00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:14,760
they said all clear they said now they

670
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,640
want to see y'all in the uh conference

671
00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:20,640
room walked straight down this Hall it's

672
00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:22,679
all the way to the end

673
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:25,080
I guess that was the longest walk I've

674
00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:28,620
ever made in my life it had to be

675
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,500
three or four football links back there

676
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:34,320
and I was scared then because

677
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:36,299
uh

678
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,419
I had time to thank him everything and I

679
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:41,760
was kind of getting panicked

680
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:44,760
so we got back and sure enough there was

681
00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:46,260
uh

682
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:52,500
Navy officials

683
00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:55,080
then it was uh

684
00:28:01,490 --> 00:27:58,260
all of our local Mayors and three local

685
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,500
Mayors three local police Chiefs

686
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,080
and they kind of wanted us to tell the

687
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:06,240
story but I more or less just kind of

688
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:07,860
clammed up

689
00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:10,440
and still trying to deny that anything

690
00:28:15,289 --> 00:28:13,620
happened of course Charlie he jumped on

691
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:15,299
the bandwagon

692
00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:18,120
that was his five minutes to find so he

693
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:25,010
sorry and what what did Charlie tell

694
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,159
them

695
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:28,799
he told him more or less everything that

696
00:28:36,370 --> 00:28:34,789
has experience at that point in the

697
00:28:38,269 --> 00:28:36,380
exact same as yours

698
00:28:41,049 --> 00:28:38,279
oh no

699
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:41,059
no it was a little bit different

700
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,000
uh the big ugly ones except he had two

701
00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:46,559
big ugly ones

702
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:49,380
and then they took him aboard and

703
00:28:54,409 --> 00:28:51,720
examined him and he mentioned something

704
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:54,419
about a big eye now I don't know if he's

705
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,480
talking about now I have a TV camera or

706
00:29:02,269 --> 00:29:00,240
something that had examined him where I

707
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,279
had something kind of sort of like a

708
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:04,559
deck of cards

709
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,320
but you know I've never really heard his

710
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:09,600
interview so I I really can't tell you

711
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:12,299
Charlie had written a book shortly after

712
00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:13,620
that

713
00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:16,860
and uh I never read the book matter of

714
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:20,220
fact my publisher Philip mantle sent me

715
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:22,620
a copy of his book and I still hadn't

716
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:24,360
picked it up and read it yet

717
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:25,860
oh

718
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:28,799
because I'm still a little upset at him

719
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,500
even though he's dead for um

720
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:34,380
breaking the news like that because if

721
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:35,940
he hadn't run his mouth then there

722
00:29:42,529 --> 00:29:38,220
wouldn't be no books no story not have

723
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:42,539
an average life like I kind of wanted it

724
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:44,340
so when they got through with us they

725
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:47,940
said well y'all can go uh young go

726
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:50,279
so the sheriff and the deputy that was

727
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,620
with us we all went back to the car and

728
00:30:00,830 --> 00:29:58,970
and uh the sheriff said you got one more

729
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,840
stop to make it somebody want to see you

730
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,159
when you get there

731
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:05,279
well I didn't realize I didn't know who

732
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,100
Dr heineck was or Dr harder

733
00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:10,620
but when we got back to the shipyard Dr

734
00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:13,080
heineck was there which was over project

735
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,700
Google

736
00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:16,320
and he

737
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,799
he sat down and uh

738
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:21,960
Charlie went back or harder and he'd

739
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:24,360
give him an examination I went to know a

740
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:25,740
hunting first

741
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:28,260
and Dr honey

742
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,020
for some reason had a common effect on

743
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:33,840
me made me feel like I could talk to

744
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,640
somebody about this

745
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,200
and

746
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,360
for some reason I opened up with Dr

747
00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:41,279
heimic back in

748
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:44,580
and stayed in touch with him until he

749
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,340
died and now I'm still really good

750
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:50,159
friends with his son Paul honey

751
00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:52,200
matter of fact we was just on the phone

752
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:54,299
yesterday talking

753
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:55,860
but uh

754
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:58,980
I spilled to bains of Dr heineck he said

755
00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:00,600
if you would run back by here tomorrow

756
00:31:03,649 --> 00:31:02,100
I'm going to run out to where this

757
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,659
happened

758
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:06,000
and uh

759
00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:08,820
before you leave because I told him you

760
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,860
know I'm leaving going back home to heck

761
00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:12,720
with all this

762
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,539
so uh we went home got a good night's

763
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:17,820
sleep and well really didn't sleep but

764
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:19,020
you know

765
00:31:25,389 --> 00:31:21,240
it was in her own beds

766
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:25,399
and uh got up went to work the next day

767
00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:28,260
I sat there and visited a heinek and he

768
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:31,140
was upset about uh

769
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:33,299
the sheriff's department or nobody

770
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:35,460
blocking off the same where it was a

771
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:38,940
crime and it was a crime out there

772
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:42,720
so uh I told him look I'm leaving well

773
00:31:46,669 --> 00:31:44,760
he gave me his phone number

774
00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:46,679
before I left he said anytime you need

775
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:48,419
to talk or if you think of something

776
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,000
else or you just want to talk and it

777
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:54,240
don't matter what it's about call me

778
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,000
so I went out got my car already had my

779
00:32:03,169 --> 00:31:59,580
bags I pointed it for Laurel Mississippi

780
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:03,179
which was 107 miles in there

781
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:05,880
just now went home because I hadn't seen

782
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:08,399
my family or told them about it yet

783
00:32:15,769 --> 00:32:12,480
but I had no intentions to telling my

784
00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:15,779
family about it and I didn't until 46

785
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:18,419
years later when we wrote the book

786
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:20,940
and since the one book come out a year

787
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:23,700
ago uh there's been another book come

788
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:24,480
out

789
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:26,760
that we wrote because it was so much

790
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,720
enthusiasm and uh the first book Pastor

791
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:32,640
mcdullah the closest encounter my story

792
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:34,500
Calvin Parker

793
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,899
there were so many witnesses and all

794
00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:38,460
come forward

795
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:41,820
that uh had to do another book

796
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,120
and we just you know instead of

797
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:47,760
putting it in the first book and pulling

798
00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:49,080
down because that wouldn't be fair to

799
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,539
the people that never had already bought

800
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,760
it there's another book that's just as

801
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:54,960
big as that

802
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,799
and it's um the story continues new

803
00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:01,200
Witnesses new evidence

804
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:03,059
but anyhow

805
00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:07,320
I left and got home to my family they

806
00:33:11,049 --> 00:33:09,179
never asked me about it I never

807
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:11,059
mentioned it

808
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:14,100
oh I was engaged to get married in

809
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,360
November I stayed home got a job

810
00:33:23,149 --> 00:33:19,620
November uh

811
00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:23,159
ninth we got married me and my wife

812
00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:27,179
and I have to say you know it's been

813
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:29,880
it hadn't been an easy Road

814
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:32,820
uh with this because the news media

815
00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:34,980
wouldn't leave me alone when they did

816
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:36,779
say something they wouldn't tell me the

817
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,480
truth about it or tell the truth about

818
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:41,940
it and a matter of fact that's how the

819
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,980
book come up because the Lioness news

820
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:45,360
media

821
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:54,649
2018 when the first book come out I

822
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:56,760
never talked about this to anybody not

823
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,880
my friends not my family not my wife

824
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,860
and somebody said well how can you keep

825
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,080
it from your wife

826
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:06,000
46 years

827
00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:08,220
well it was easy you just don't talk

828
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,379
about it and she knows me good enough

829
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:12,960
that I wasn't going to talk about it

830
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:15,839
and what brought all this home

831
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:18,960
we had a neighbor that passed away in

832
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,000
the neighborhood and he was a friend

833
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:23,760
so we went to his wake

834
00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:25,800
at the funeral home

835
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:29,099
and uh I signed a register with my real

836
00:34:33,889 --> 00:34:31,980
name that day and that was

837
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:33,899
well I can't say it was a mistake

838
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,399
because it's probably one of the better

839
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:37,919
things that's happened to me what people

840
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:39,899
started coming up and asked me all these

841
00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:43,679
questions they recognized the name

842
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,540
so

843
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:48,240
you know told him you know we can't talk

844
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:51,240
about this here this man's wife Craven

845
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,580
her daughter's grieving and I'm not

846
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:55,440
going to do a damn photo shoot up here

847
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:57,180
in a funeral home

848
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:00,420
so we left and on the way home my wife

849
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:02,700
said well look

850
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,160
you've never talked to me about this you

851
00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:07,680
never told me about it or anything or

852
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:08,940
nobody else

853
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,820
they just want to know how you are they

854
00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:14,160
care about you and

855
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:17,460
what's going on in your life and all

856
00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:21,240
well by that time I was had retired

857
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,060
and uh she said why don't you write a

858
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,040
book I said well I'll think about it

859
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:29,280
which I wasn't going to do it because I

860
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:31,020
didn't have the education to write a

861
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:31,980
book

862
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,220
I don't you know I don't know I couldn't

863
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:37,680
spell my own name much less

864
00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:39,720
punctuated

865
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:42,780
and I said well let me think about it

866
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:45,540
well it happened the next day uh Martin

867
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:47,940
Willis does a little

868
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,300
podcast called he said there's a guy

869
00:35:54,730 --> 00:35:52,800
that's been wanting to get a hold of you

870
00:35:57,050 --> 00:35:54,740
can I give you your contact information

871
00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:57,060
he said he

872
00:36:01,490 --> 00:35:59,339
just won't give up

873
00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:01,500
I should sure Martin I'll talk to him

874
00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:03,420
just to get him off Uke

875
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:06,839
and uh it was Philip banham

876
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:09,960
and he called me on my phone introduced

877
00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:12,300
himself of course I answered the phone

878
00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:15,000
when he called I seen it was from

879
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,160
overseas somewhere

880
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:20,160
and he said we talked for a little bit

881
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,980
he said Calvin why don't you do your own

882
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:25,440
book so I told him you know I don't have

883
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:27,720
an education to do my book

884
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:30,060
he said well I'm here for you

885
00:36:36,829 --> 00:36:33,839
if you need me if you need some help

886
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:36,839
I said Philip the reason I hadn't is

887
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:38,820
because everybody changes everything

888
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:40,200
that I say

889
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:43,740
I can tell them one story and they go

890
00:36:46,609 --> 00:36:45,780
make another complete story out of that

891
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:46,619
one

892
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,780
he said well think about it he said now

893
00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:50,400
here's the deal

894
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,339
that could be your legacy

895
00:36:58,609 --> 00:36:55,680
and they can't change black and white

896
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:58,619
what you say and I got thinking it made

897
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:01,140
a lot of sense now he didn't even call

898
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:03,780
me about writing a book he just wanted

899
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:07,320
to talk to me about one that Charlie had

900
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:09,780
in which one I've never read so I

901
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:11,460
couldn't really tell him nothing about

902
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:12,240
it

903
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:14,520
he said well I'll call you back in a

904
00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:16,500
week

905
00:37:22,609 --> 00:37:19,800
I said all right well right then when he

906
00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:22,619
hung up I got that phone number that he

907
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,780
called from him I put no answer on the

908
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:26,160
number

909
00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:28,680
so I didn't have intentions talking to

910
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:31,079
him again but he's pretty persistent

911
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:33,420
I was down at the boat loading my boat

912
00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:35,160
up on the trailer and the phone kept

913
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:36,660
ringing and it kept ringing it kept

914
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:37,859
ringing

915
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:39,960
and I finally just answered it without

916
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,780
looking and it was Philip I didn't want

917
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:45,359
to be rude and hang up on the guy

918
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,900
so we talked for a few minutes

919
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,119
and I told him I said look Phillip

920
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:53,760
here's the deal

921
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,980
we can do a book

922
00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:58,079
I've never done one I don't have any

923
00:38:01,250 --> 00:37:59,339
education

924
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,260
but number one

925
00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:03,480
I know it's going to be some misspelled

926
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,460
words because I can't spell my name I

927
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,200
know the sentences ain't gonna be

928
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,839
punctuated because I never did good in

929
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:11,280
literature

930
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:19,190
I don't want it edited period

931
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:22,200
are you sure yeah I'm sure about this

932
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,099
Phillip so so if you don't edit the book

933
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:27,839
we'll do it

934
00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:30,300
well uh

935
00:38:34,609 --> 00:38:32,460
I went home told my wife well you're

936
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:34,619
gonna get your damn book

937
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:37,140
and you're gonna hear your story still I

938
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,359
hadn't ever told her the story and she

939
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:42,240
was all excited about this book

940
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:44,220
so Philip and I

941
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:46,859
we communicated on the computer if I had

942
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:50,220
a question he sent me a format to go by

943
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:52,980
and if I had a question you know all I

944
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,320
had to do was ask him and he would help

945
00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:57,839
out but he's always been good to his

946
00:39:02,690 --> 00:39:00,660
word he's never edited but one

947
00:39:04,690 --> 00:39:02,700
thing in this book and I was talking

948
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:04,700
about eating a fried bologna sandwich

949
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:07,500
and he called it a fried Blondie

950
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,380
sandwich now I don't know the difference

951
00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:12,960
there but that was the only word he

952
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:15,480
changed and it's kind of funny

953
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:19,320
but uh I did the book and I figured you

954
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:21,180
know maybe this thing might sell 10

955
00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:23,940
copies and I'd buy all 10 of them hand

956
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,060
out to my family my friends

957
00:39:32,329 --> 00:39:29,520
and um

958
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:32,339
that's what I did

959
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:34,619
and

960
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,500
that as for my wife first heard about

961
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:39,900
what was going on with me and my family

962
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:42,420
and my friends and and what was her

963
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:44,220
reaction

964
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:47,460
she was shocked and still is the other

965
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:48,540
day

966
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:51,900
she uh listened to them tapes and I made

967
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:54,060
it to Sheriff's Department

968
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:55,740
and I walked back here and she just

969
00:40:00,540 --> 00:40:04,670
but

970
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:07,250
you know it's nothing unusual for her to

971
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,660
hear something different and she starts

972
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:11,280
crying about it she said I didn't know

973
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:12,900
you've been going through this for all

974
00:40:16,970 --> 00:40:14,339
these years

975
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:16,980
I said well really I've tried to block

976
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,800
it out of my mind but people would more

977
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:22,079
or less wouldn't let me block it out

978
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:25,980
it cost me my original golden life was

979
00:40:32,329 --> 00:40:28,619
to buy a house get married buy a house

980
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:32,339
have children have grandchildren retired

981
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:33,720
fish

982
00:40:38,329 --> 00:40:37,140
and you know that's messed the whole

983
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:38,339
thing up

984
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,020
so well

985
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:42,240
you know I ended up buying a house and

986
00:40:46,430 --> 00:40:44,460
fishing but that's about it I have

987
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:46,440
children

988
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,540
but you know I don't never talk to them

989
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:50,400
about it I give them a copy of the book

990
00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:52,440
like I did my wife

991
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:54,300
if you want to rate it rate it if you

992
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,099
don't don't if you don't believe me

993
00:41:00,290 --> 00:40:58,560
that's fine I don't care

994
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:00,300
and did they have any questions about

995
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:02,339
the incident have they read it have they

996
00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:03,480
followed up

997
00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:06,780
yeah they've read it and uh

998
00:41:12,109 --> 00:41:09,420
my daughter didn't have a whole lot of

999
00:41:14,109 --> 00:41:12,119
questions but her uh

1000
00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:14,119
husband and um

1001
00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:16,200
father-in-law had a few

1002
00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:18,119
and you know every now and then they

1003
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:24,829
but uh and there's nothing that nothing

1004
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:28,020
really serious questions that they asked

1005
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,220
but just

1006
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:31,920
they just want to know something clarify

1007
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:32,940
some

1008
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:36,000
like uh

1009
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:39,060
we got two hypnosis we got the bud

1010
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:41,640
Hopkins hypnosis in one book

1011
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:45,119
Kathleen Martin and the other book you

1012
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:47,160
know she wasn't in the first book

1013
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:50,339
but she was really professional and did

1014
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:52,140
a great job that was a three-hour

1015
00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:53,820
session

1016
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:56,700
and um

1017
00:42:02,690 --> 00:41:59,220
you know she went about it different she

1018
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:02,700
didn't put no leading questions in there

1019
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,220
she would just ask me and then what you

1020
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:07,200
know or something like that

1021
00:42:11,089 --> 00:42:08,940
so uh

1022
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:11,099
you know there's been a lot of things

1023
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,280
cleared up since the first book that I

1024
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:17,040
didn't even realize and Philip and I has

1025
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:18,359
talked

1026
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:20,099
and

1027
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:22,440
we never know what comes up from day to

1028
00:42:28,609 --> 00:42:25,740
day it's always something coming up

1029
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:28,619
and that we had to deal with or want to

1030
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,420
deal with sometime

1031
00:42:36,349 --> 00:42:33,359
but it's been a good good haul for me it

1032
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:36,359
brought my wife and I a lot closer

1033
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:39,180
I know last year of course we hadn't

1034
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,400
this year because of this virus

1035
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:43,920
but we made a lot of conferences last

1036
00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:46,140
year met a lot of great people

1037
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,320
and got to talk to a lot of people

1038
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:51,599
and uh

1039
00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:54,599
that that's been nice well I got to meet

1040
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,339
Kathleen at the conference before she

1041
00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:58,800
flew down here to hypnotize me

1042
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:01,740
got to meet uh Paul heineck at a

1043
00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:03,720
conference

1044
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:06,180
uh I've been talking to him all this

1045
00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:08,040
time but I never got a chance to meet

1046
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:11,220
him and he is really such a pleasant

1047
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:12,780
person to be around

1048
00:43:18,589 --> 00:43:16,619
I like Paul a lot and uh he's

1049
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:18,599
intelligent he's smart

1050
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:21,420
of course I wouldn't tell him that I

1051
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:23,700
tell him you know oh those old dumbass

1052
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,240
rednecks a lot smarter than you are

1053
00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:30,480
but it it's been a good go it's brought

1054
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:32,280
us closer

1055
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:35,339
Calvin so listening to that story I

1056
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:36,900
wanted to try and let you talk as much

1057
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,119
as possible because it's as your story

1058
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:41,040
and as genuinely one of the most

1059
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:44,040
fascinating in the UFO topic what I've

1060
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:45,780
got there were some questions to go back

1061
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,460
just going through

1062
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,440
um for you the first thing I want to

1063
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,540
talk about so obviously Charlie hexen

1064
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:53,520
played a big part in this and as you've

1065
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,500
stated previously and on this this

1066
00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:56,880
interview

1067
00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:58,740
um you can you just stop talking to

1068
00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:00,780
Charlie after the the instant you know

1069
00:44:05,089 --> 00:44:02,760
when he went his way and told his story

1070
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:05,099
and he'd done various interviews in the

1071
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:07,380
media he released books and like you say

1072
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,440
he really had 45 years where this was

1073
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:12,000
locked away you didn't want to discuss

1074
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:13,500
it you didn't want it to be part of your

1075
00:44:18,829 --> 00:44:15,480
life you wanted to go on with things

1076
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:18,839
he said in the past that you were passed

1077
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,720
out for most of the incident when of

1078
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:23,359
course that's that's not been the case

1079
00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:26,040
what sort of happened there was a bit of

1080
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:27,960
a miscommunication or do you think he

1081
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:30,420
was trying to just not involve you in

1082
00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:33,660
the story as much well Charlie now sat

1083
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:35,220
down and agreed

1084
00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:37,560
that I wasn't going to talk about this

1085
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:39,060
to start Wheel

1086
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:44,640
so in in this matter right here uh

1087
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,119
we had talked about you know maybe I'd

1088
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:50,460
passed out or something like that and he

1089
00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:52,500
just took that and run with it in which

1090
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:55,079
I'm glad he did and a lot of people

1091
00:45:00,109 --> 00:44:57,720
questioned my credibility on this but

1092
00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:00,119
like I said before I don't care they

1093
00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:02,280
question it or not this is what happened

1094
00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:04,440
I wouldn't have put it in black and

1095
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,760
white if it hadn't been the truth

1096
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,520
Calvin I'll be honest I I absolutely do

1097
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,960
believe your story

1098
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:14,400
um let's say it's a story this is an

1099
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:15,660
event this is something that happened

1100
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:17,880
that's very profound and hard for a lot

1101
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:20,040
of people to believe but and in this

1102
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:22,200
subject and Topic in general does I

1103
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,819
don't think there's any stories that are

1104
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,680
easy to believe really even with the

1105
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:27,359
evidence and the weight of testimony

1106
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:29,460
we've got now oh yeah

1107
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,079
um but you definitely come across a

1108
00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:33,119
really credible and honest person and

1109
00:45:37,309 --> 00:45:34,980
like you say if people want to believe

1110
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,319
you create if they don't and that's

1111
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:38,880
that's also fine that's that's nothing

1112
00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:41,220
that you're particularly care about you

1113
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:44,700
know I once told somebody that uh I

1114
00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:46,920
don't want everybody to believe

1115
00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:50,040
everything that I say or anything that I

1116
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:52,440
say I like for people to have their own

1117
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:55,260
minds to think for themselves and to be

1118
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:57,900
able to put all this into one little box

1119
00:46:03,050 --> 00:45:59,220
for them

1120
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,060
uh I know on my part I know for a fact

1121
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,240
what happened is what I said and I know

1122
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:08,640
something else the reason I made all

1123
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:12,780
these conferences was to uh

1124
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:15,839
look for answers with other people and

1125
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,200
all and that's always been why and

1126
00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:21,780
people handle things different and I

1127
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,099
really hate

1128
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:25,200
that I didn't communicate more with

1129
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,720
Charlie I mean we had some communication

1130
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,240
but it wasn't all real good

1131
00:46:35,809 --> 00:46:33,359
and and I hate that he died

1132
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,819
but maybe some secrets in his head that

1133
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:38,160
I needed to know

1134
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:39,960
but that's something you can't you can't

1135
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,940
go back now about what you're doing no

1136
00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:44,400
going forward obviously is bringing out

1137
00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:46,380
your story letting people meet you and

1138
00:46:50,089 --> 00:46:48,180
not only are you getting answers but

1139
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:50,099
people meeting you they might be helping

1140
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:51,480
them that have maybe had similar

1141
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,940
experiences well I believe you met

1142
00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:56,400
Travis Walton was it last year at one of

1143
00:47:03,710 --> 00:46:59,339
the conferences yeah I met him at the uh

1144
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,720
in Arizona uh UFO Congress

1145
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,760
and we got to spend some time together

1146
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:07,200
and

1147
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,420
I kind of enjoyed this time but he's

1148
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,480
like me even though we come out with a

1149
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:14,880
lot of publicity with this movie and all

1150
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:16,980
he's still kind of withdrawn and don't

1151
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:19,980
like talking about it that much

1152
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,920
what did you discuss not to go into too

1153
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:25,200
much private conversation but did you

1154
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:27,060
both discuss your own incidents and any

1155
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:29,400
similarities that may have been there

1156
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:33,420
no we mostly discuss the news media

1157
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:36,060
and uh

1158
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:39,420
we had a talk about people in general

1159
00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:42,960
how people accepted each one of us in

1160
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:44,040
general

1161
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:47,160
and that's pretty much lined it up

1162
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,780
you know very well I just might not

1163
00:47:53,329 --> 00:47:51,240
something that that comes across and a

1164
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:53,339
lot of years and you've never had in

1165
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:54,060
that

1166
00:47:59,150 --> 00:47:57,300
there's this incident or event Conflict

1167
00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:59,160
at all with that religious part of your

1168
00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:01,319
life or or your family when you were

1169
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:02,819
younger and is that maybe one of the

1170
00:48:08,750 --> 00:48:05,640
reasons you kept this hidden

1171
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:08,760
yeah because

1172
00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:12,000
I just didn't want to talk about it back

1173
00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:13,859
in it was a

1174
00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:15,480
uh

1175
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:18,060
just say kind of like a rape victim you

1176
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,280
know they get that and they a lot of

1177
00:48:24,050 --> 00:48:21,839
them don't want to talk they don't want

1178
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:24,060
to be put out there and that's kind of

1179
00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:26,220
what I felt like you know I didn't want

1180
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:27,180
to

1181
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,460
just throw this out there and people

1182
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:31,520
starting out and me and doubt my family

1183
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:34,319
I don't care they doubt me but I didn't

1184
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,180
want to put my family in the middle of

1185
00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:39,119
all this although I did for years and

1186
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:42,060
now we're way deep in it

1187
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:44,220
so as you had grown up like you said

1188
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:46,740
that this is something that you kept

1189
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,260
hidden away and Charlie went House Route

1190
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:51,599
with it during the interviews the the TV

1191
00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:53,880
magazines that sort of thing was there

1192
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,619
ever any other incidents in your life

1193
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,599
did you ever see anything in the sky

1194
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:00,000
ever get any feelings that something was

1195
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:01,920
watching you still are keeping tabs on

1196
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:03,780
you anything at all

1197
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:06,480
well I I had a feeling for a long time

1198
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:08,040
you know

1199
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:15,240
about something or think something

1200
00:49:20,329 --> 00:49:17,460
and you can convince yourself into

1201
00:49:22,609 --> 00:49:20,339
believing things that might not be

1202
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:22,619
and then I listen to other people's

1203
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:26,220
stories and they talk about having uh

1204
00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:28,200
something to track them in them and

1205
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:30,540
stuff like that well I really do think

1206
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:34,260
for a while that they had implants in me

1207
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:37,380
and the reason I say that because after

1208
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:40,680
this happened my nose bled quite regular

1209
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:42,300
for a long time

1210
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:46,319
I mean it's all stop now but uh I think

1211
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:49,500
they did have something in my nose

1212
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:51,420
that was actually that was one of the

1213
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:53,099
questions when The Listener Stephen had

1214
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:54,900
asked them would you ever check over for

1215
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,460
implants was it something you ever got

1216
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:58,500
checked officially

1217
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:01,859
not really but I tell you I had a bunch

1218
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:05,640
of MRIs I had two open heart surges and

1219
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:06,720
a stroke

1220
00:50:12,589 --> 00:50:10,079
and they've done MRIs all the time since

1221
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:12,599
then they hadn't found nothing yet

1222
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,940
and I'm glad they didn't yeah I was

1223
00:50:17,690 --> 00:50:16,079
going to say that that's good to know

1224
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,700
you don't want necessary something found

1225
00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:19,200
it might be good for the story for other

1226
00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:21,540
people but you're still a person that's

1227
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,819
gotta you know got to live their life

1228
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:26,640
can I just ask you you mentioned before

1229
00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:29,160
about the tips that you've just found

1230
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:31,380
last month what's your plan with those

1231
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:32,640
tips

1232
00:50:38,589 --> 00:50:34,920
there is your pardon do you have any

1233
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:38,599
plans for those tips to release them

1234
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:43,140
uh yeah that they all know

1235
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:48,240
let's say there's a gal Brian Broome did

1236
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:51,240
a whole article on them tapes

1237
00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:54,420
and uh matter of fact he put them on my

1238
00:50:58,490 --> 00:50:56,280
Facebook page I don't even know where

1239
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,500
they are they somewhere on my Facebook

1240
00:51:02,750 --> 00:51:01,200
page and it's the whole tapes so I've

1241
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:02,760
not actually Outdoors that's that's good

1242
00:51:05,809 --> 00:51:04,380
I'll put the link to those within the

1243
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,819
within the interview

1244
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:07,680
do you ever think there was a reason

1245
00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:09,480
that you were picked and Charlie were

1246
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:13,079
picked or chosen or abducted or do you

1247
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:15,059
think it was just you were in the the

1248
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:16,740
wrong place at the right time or vice

1249
00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:19,800
versa well that's something I've often

1250
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,020
asked myself

1251
00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:24,240
and maybe I was just such a wrong place

1252
00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:26,339
at the right time

1253
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:29,880
uh it's hard to say

1254
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:31,619
I know at the time there was no one else

1255
00:51:35,569 --> 00:51:33,480
had come forward but like you say in the

1256
00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:35,579
documentary and the the follow-up book

1257
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:37,859
there were Witnesses weren't there that

1258
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:41,599
actually saw the craft or the ship

1259
00:51:46,849 --> 00:51:43,980
forward yeah

1260
00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:46,859
yeah sir it was plenty of witnesses a

1261
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,380
lot of them was law enforcement

1262
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,020
that had seen this thing ran

1263
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:54,720
and then we had a

1264
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,140
a couple Maria Blair and her husband

1265
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,599
and they was across the river and they

1266
00:52:03,710 --> 00:52:02,640
seen it land and seen them take his own

1267
00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:03,720
board

1268
00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:06,599
now he just just passed away not long

1269
00:52:10,730 --> 00:52:07,619
ago

1270
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,740
and he did a confession on his deathbed

1271
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:12,000
uh

1272
00:52:17,329 --> 00:52:14,940
about that apologize and to his wife for

1273
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,339
never letting her tell nobody

1274
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,160
but you know all the witnesses are real

1275
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:22,319
credible witnesses that were there that

1276
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,140
night we got several more

1277
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:27,359
right from around here to sing the craft

1278
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:29,700
when it landed we had a probation

1279
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:33,780
officer we had a preacher we had uh some

1280
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:36,180
people from the Pascagoula Police

1281
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:37,380
Department

1282
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:39,780
their witnessed it so

1283
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:42,480
yeah and they all in the second book The

1284
00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:45,300
Story continues and it's pretty

1285
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:47,400
interesting the rate is too much of it

1286
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:48,780
to go into

1287
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:51,599
right now but it's some good reading in

1288
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:54,599
there no I prefer the second book but

1289
00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:57,720
better not do the first no and the the

1290
00:53:01,250 --> 00:52:59,579
both books aren't the documentary all

1291
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,260
available on Amazon I would recommend

1292
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:03,839
anyone gets in there to to investigate

1293
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:05,400
themselves and like you've said make up

1294
00:53:09,790 --> 00:53:07,619
their own mind Calvin I'm going to ask

1295
00:53:13,730 --> 00:53:09,800
before I get to some listener questions

1296
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:13,740
if you could go back to that evening and

1297
00:53:18,349 --> 00:53:15,660
stop the event from happening

1298
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,359
would you

1299
00:53:23,089 --> 00:53:20,880
I would because my life would be totally

1300
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:23,099
different right now

1301
00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:26,700
so yeah I would I wouldn't do it again

1302
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:29,220
so the next time obviously not at a

1303
00:53:32,450 --> 00:53:30,540
grant because it's not something you

1304
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:32,460
could have any control over but it's

1305
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:33,720
something that you obviously quite

1306
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,200
traumatic as well but going forward do

1307
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:39,599
you plan to keep up the conventions and

1308
00:53:43,609 --> 00:53:41,400
getting yourself out there and speaking

1309
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,619
to people is a bit of a therapy for you

1310
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:45,660
know obviously your wife has got you to

1311
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:47,940
write these books and that you feel more

1312
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:49,380
comfortable now putting yourself out

1313
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,220
there

1314
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,520
well I do and uh you know I wouldn't

1315
00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:55,920
mind making a maybe a couple of

1316
00:54:00,349 --> 00:53:57,540
conventions a year

1317
00:54:01,609 --> 00:54:00,359
because like I said two reasons I'm

1318
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:01,619
still hunting

1319
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:07,380
this or the answers and the other reason

1320
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:09,660
my wife enjoys them

1321
00:54:15,770 --> 00:54:12,599
so me keeping this from her for all

1322
00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:15,780
these years if I could take her to a

1323
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:17,700
couple of conventions to make her happy

1324
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:20,280
then that's good you know we get a room

1325
00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:23,280
we go down we talk to the people it

1326
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,140
gives her a better understanding than

1327
00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:27,359
what's going on

1328
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:30,300
what I would like to ask is you never

1329
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,579
had an interest in UFOs or this this

1330
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:34,559
topic before this and it's something

1331
00:54:38,450 --> 00:54:35,940
you've maybe kind of stayed away from

1332
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:38,460
till recently how up-to-date are you

1333
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:41,460
with things like to the Stars Academy uh

1334
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:43,740
or the New York Times article where they

1335
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:45,420
released the three videos have you seen

1336
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,160
those three videos of the unidentified

1337
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:50,160
craft that the government shown

1338
00:54:54,910 --> 00:54:52,260
no sir I had

1339
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:54,920
and if you still not saw those

1340
00:54:59,630 --> 00:54:57,660
I don't watch it I mean we got the

1341
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,640
History Channel here that puts all this

1342
00:55:04,730 --> 00:55:02,160
stuff up agent alien I know

1343
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,740
and unless I really know somebody that

1344
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:07,200
I'm in at a convention and I'm on a seal

1345
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:10,680
and I know the young then I watch that

1346
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:13,800
but uh I don't really get into it I

1347
00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:15,180
don't really watch it well I'm not much

1348
00:55:20,690 --> 00:55:18,660
on TV on the news or politics or

1349
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:20,700
anything else

1350
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,380
I feel like the world would be better

1351
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:24,720
off without politicians and the news

1352
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:25,800
media

1353
00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:27,900
get rid of them two things and a lot of

1354
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:30,599
my problems would disappear so what I

1355
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:32,220
want to do at Calvin is just get into

1356
00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:34,440
some listener questions we had quite a

1357
00:55:37,609 --> 00:55:35,700
few sent over

1358
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:37,619
but I've answered you've answered a few

1359
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:39,000
of them anyway throughout the body of

1360
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,559
the story of course

1361
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,960
um Stephen first stop wanted to know

1362
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:44,880
what are your thoughts on the recent

1363
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:47,520
Nimitz encounters and related videos but

1364
00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:49,020
of course you've answered that um

1365
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:50,579
already so thanks for sending that in

1366
00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:52,859
Stephen that's you hadn't seen those

1367
00:55:56,329 --> 00:55:54,180
um he'd also asked if you'd check for

1368
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,339
implants a few other questions we had

1369
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:59,040
were you given any information at the

1370
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,839
time of the event that you didn't quite

1371
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:03,119
realize at the time and came back later

1372
00:56:07,970 --> 00:56:05,400
so that's probably looking more at the

1373
00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:07,980
regression in the hypnosis sessions

1374
00:56:14,809 --> 00:56:12,420
oh to be to be honest I really don't

1375
00:56:15,970 --> 00:56:14,819
know of any useful information I was

1376
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:15,980
given

1377
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:19,740
uh on the hypnosis session you know is

1378
00:56:24,490 --> 00:56:21,900
just to bring out the finer details and

1379
00:56:26,990 --> 00:56:24,500
what did happen

1380
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,000
with the noise details that surprised

1381
00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:29,040
you or

1382
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:34,440
uh yeah it it was you know we got uh

1383
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:42,950
I thought it was like a redneck woman

1384
00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:44,760
but it could have been somebody in

1385
00:56:49,609 --> 00:56:46,220
disguise

1386
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:49,619
and you know and I still call her a

1387
00:56:53,930 --> 00:56:52,140
woman but it might not have been so I

1388
00:56:55,069 --> 00:56:53,940
don't know it's just stuff we had talked

1389
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:55,079
about

1390
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:56,760
but that's interesting one of the more

1391
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,640
recent CDs has been the the phenomena or

1392
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,160
any entities which whatever they may be

1393
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,319
can actually make you see

1394
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,480
an image or predict project an image

1395
00:57:09,710 --> 00:57:08,160
that you'd be comfortable seeing so

1396
00:57:11,930 --> 00:57:09,720
that's interesting that you see you saw

1397
00:57:14,329 --> 00:57:11,940
a redneck woman but that's something

1398
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:14,339
more comfortable with necessarily than

1399
00:57:18,829 --> 00:57:17,400
you know what a perfect tall gray alien

1400
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:18,839
or you know whatever it could have been

1401
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,480
so that that's similar parallels to what

1402
00:57:24,349 --> 00:57:23,280
other people have reported

1403
00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:24,359
um

1404
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:26,280
it also asked this is slightly different

1405
00:57:31,010 --> 00:57:28,920
but his uh Spike has heard you told the

1406
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:31,020
story on interviews where you found a

1407
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:33,119
guy sleeping on your porch once and

1408
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,559
instead of shooting them you invited him

1409
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:36,000
in for coffee

1410
00:57:41,809 --> 00:57:39,420
yes sir that's true yeah and you know

1411
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:41,819
that's quite regular that I found

1412
00:57:45,770 --> 00:57:44,460
somebody waiting outside to talk to me

1413
00:57:47,809 --> 00:57:45,780
or see me

1414
00:57:50,329 --> 00:57:47,819
and um

1415
00:57:52,609 --> 00:57:50,339
you know this guy found on my porch I

1416
00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:52,619
did I woke him up invited him in we had

1417
00:57:59,089 --> 00:57:56,099
coffee we fixed breakfast and we talked

1418
00:58:01,250 --> 00:57:59,099
in the same way I try to be that way

1419
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:01,260
with most anybody that comes here but

1420
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:03,480
you know times is getting kind of scary

1421
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:04,859
now

1422
00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:07,859
to have your family around and all but

1423
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,540
I've had people waiting out in my

1424
00:58:14,569 --> 00:58:12,240
parking lot just to talk to me be out

1425
00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:14,579
there in a hot sun and you walk outside

1426
00:58:18,349 --> 00:58:16,440
and there they are waiting I said well

1427
00:58:20,569 --> 00:58:18,359
why didn't you come in knock on the door

1428
00:58:23,569 --> 00:58:20,579
and come on in an air conditioner

1429
00:58:26,809 --> 00:58:23,579
brought them in and talked so yeah I

1430
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:26,819
don't make too many strangers

1431
00:58:32,030 --> 00:58:30,000
um I've always got people sending things

1432
00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:32,040
they want me to autograph

1433
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:34,440
and I'll do that and send it back

1434
00:58:39,530 --> 00:58:37,020
sometime with my own postage

1435
00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:39,540
and then uh one time I caught somebody

1436
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,140
selling the selling them on eBay so I

1437
00:58:47,569 --> 00:58:45,119
just got the name and stopped

1438
00:58:49,549 --> 00:58:47,579
autographing things for them

1439
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,559
I love people but I'm not going to be

1440
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:51,839
taking advantage of

1441
00:58:57,049 --> 00:58:55,140
so absolutely not less than Calvin uh

1442
00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:57,059
we're going to just wrap up there so I'd

1443
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:58,619
like to thank you very much for your

1444
00:59:02,809 --> 00:59:00,359
time it's been amazing speaking with you

1445
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,819
and hearing your story uh one two one as

1446
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,799
well it's been quite incredible

1447
00:59:08,329 --> 00:59:06,480
um so just want to tell the listeners

1448
00:59:11,329 --> 00:59:08,339
once again um the books that they can

1449
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:11,339
get and where they can get those

1450
00:59:17,089 --> 00:59:14,160
all right we got past Pagoda the closest

1451
00:59:19,609 --> 00:59:17,099
encounter my story Calvin Parker

1452
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,619
then we have the story continues new

1453
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,079
evidence and new Witnesses

1454
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:23,760
and

1455
00:59:30,349 --> 00:59:27,780
they're both at Amazon the uh little

1456
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,359
documentary things at Amazon

1457
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:32,880
and you can get them through them

1458
00:59:37,490 --> 00:59:35,460
excellent Calvin it's a fascinating

1459
00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:37,500
story and I for one I'm glad that you're

1460
00:59:41,569 --> 00:59:40,200
out there doing the the UFO circuit if

1461
00:59:43,490 --> 00:59:41,579
you want to call it that and obviously

1462
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:43,500
it's on hold a little bit just now with

1463
00:59:47,210 --> 00:59:45,780
covid-19 but hopefully when things are

1464
00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:47,220
back up and running we get to see you

1465
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:49,380
and one day maybe even meet in person as

1466
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,220
well

1467
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,559
that'd be great I appreciate you having

1468
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,240
me thank you no it's been lovely

1469
00:59:58,910 --> 00:59:56,640
speaking with you thank you Calvin thank

1470
01:00:01,069 --> 00:59:58,920
you that is all for this week's show

1471
01:00:02,930 --> 01:00:01,079
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1472
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:02,940
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1473
01:00:08,089 --> 01:00:05,520
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1474
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1475
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:10,079
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1476
01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:12,119
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1477
01:00:16,190 --> 01:00:13,740
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1478
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1480
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:20,339
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1481
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:23,520
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1482
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:27,420
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1483
01:00:32,050 --> 01:00:29,400
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1484
01:00:59,160 --> 01:00:32,060
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1485
01:00:59,170 --> 01:01:07,630
[Music]

1486
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:23,930
I can't imagine

1487
01:01:23,940 --> 01:01:32,710
secondly myself and I climbed out the

1488
01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:35,990
windows they thought it was a dream they

1489
01:01:39,140 --> 01:01:47,480
because it doesn't really scare me

1490
01:02:09,130 --> 01:02:02,690
[Music]

1491
01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:11,270
consider your heart

1492
01:02:16,850 --> 01:02:14,040
I consider your space consider your lies

1493
01:02:29,830 --> 01:02:16,860
consider your life considering your eyes

1494
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:46,380
[Music]

1495
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:00,410
thank you

1496
01:03:11,770 --> 01:03:02,370
very much

1497
01:03:23,810 --> 01:03:22,309
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